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walkingshadow ([personal profile] walkingshadow) wrote2010-04-26 01:30 pm

i read dead russian authors volumes at a time

Because it's something I've been grappling with for a while myself, I got curious about how other people save and store the fanfiction they read (or intend to read), either on- or offline. And since I just re-upped my paid time on dreamwidth, it looks like conditions are perfect for a poll! For these purposes, when I talk about "saving a story", I mean "putting it (or a link to it) in any physical, digital, or virtual space for your own personal access at a later date, for any reason". So:

Poll #2888 Your personal fanfiction curation habits: describe them to me!
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 148

Do you save fanfiction for personal archival purposes?

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127 (85.8%)

5 (3.4%)

I did in the past, but I don't anymore.
13 (8.8%)

It might seem like a simple question, but it doesn't have a simple answer (see comments).
3 (2.0%)

How long do you keep (or plan to keep) the fic you save?

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Until I've read it.
3 (2.1%)

For a length of time dependent on some variable(s) I will detail in comments.
2 (1.4%)

It varies depending on the story and/or my reason for saving it initially.
70 (48.3%)

70 (48.3%)

What fic saving/storage method(s) do you currently employ?

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Saving digital copies to my computer in html/txt/pdf/etc. format.
119 (81.5%)

Saving digital copies to my mobile device.
11 (7.5%)

Burning digital copies to disks.
17 (11.6%)

Local bookmarking in my browser.
69 (47.3%)

Online bookmarking via delicious.
89 (61.0%)

Online bookmarking via a site other than delicious.
20 (13.7%)

Adding to my [live]journal memories.
36 (24.7%)

Printing out stories from the internet.
33 (22.6%)

Storing fanzines (hard copies).
13 (8.9%)

Some other method(s) which I will expound upon in comments.
6 (4.1%)

Have you changed your system over time?

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No. The system I currently use is the system I've always had.
42 (29.2%)

Yes. My system has changed at least once since I began reading fanfiction.
102 (70.8%)

Are you satisfied with your current system?

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57 (39.0%)

Yes, but based on emerging fandom trends and/or my own changing habits and/or new tools/technology, I suspect that might change sometime in the forseeable future.
49 (33.6%)

No, and I'm in the process of adjusting it to accommodate emerging fandom trends and/or my own changing habits and/or new tools/technology.
13 (8.9%)

No, but I'm not sure what changes I should make to it.
27 (18.5%)

If you use more than one method, how much redundancy do you have in place?

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Little or no redundancy: stories are either in hard copy, on a hard drive, in the cloud, etc., but they're each in only one location/format.
39 (28.3%)

Partial redundancy: some stories exist in more than one location/format.
77 (55.8%)

Total redundancy: my entire catalog is mirrored in at least one other location/format.
22 (15.9%)

Assuming we're talking only about stories that you wanted or would have wanted to save, how does your collection of saved works compare to your actual fic consumption history?

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My collection of saved works closely matches up to the number of stories I have read.
15 (10.3%)

My collection of saved works underrepresents the number of stories I have read.
121 (82.9%)

My collection of saved works overrepresents the number of stories I have read.
13 (8.9%)

Not counting the duplicates (if you have a redundant system), how many stories do you have saved, total?

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Less than 100.
21 (14.5%)

Between 100 and 500.
37 (25.5%)

Between 500 and 1,000.
17 (11.7%)

Between 1,000 and 5,000.
37 (25.5%)

Between 5,000 and 10,000.
12 (8.3%)

Between 10,000 and 50,000.
4 (2.8%)

Between 50,000 and 100,000.
0 (0.0%)

More than 100,000.
2 (1.4%)

More than 1,000,000!!
0 (0.0%)

It's too complicated to estimate.
15 (10.3%)

If it's a different number than the number of stories you've saved, would you care to estimate how many stories you've read in your fannish lifetime? Round to the nearest order of magnitude, or feel free to just laugh into the text box instead.

And when did you first start reading fanfiction?

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Before the advent of the internet.
10 (6.8%)

After the advent of the internet, but before the age of the mailing list.
6 (4.1%)

During the age of the mailing list, but before the days of the web archive and the author homepage.
18 (12.2%)

During the days of the web archive and the author homepage, but before the migration to journal-based fandom.
79 (53.4%)

After the migration to journal-based fandom, but before the rise of social bookmarking.
29 (19.6%)

Since the rise of social bookmarking.
1 (0.7%)

Your brief history of fandom is inaccurate and/or incomplete, and I had a different fannish entry point, which I will describe in comments.
5 (3.4%)

Obviously this poll is limited to my own experiences and knowledge, so I would dearly love to hear about the practices that work for you. Or practices that are no longer working for you! There's also the fact that I myself am exclusively a reader and not a writer of fanfiction. If you're a writer, does that affect your archiving habits? Do you handle your own fic differently? What about saving other fannish works, like art and podfic and vids and meta? I'm especially unfamiliar with fanart communities and their homes on the web, and with vids I very quickly run into the problem of limited disk space. So what do you do?

Here's how my current system is set up: every story I read that I ever want to lay my hands on again, I a) save in html format to my laptop (which subsequently gets backed up to an external drive) and b) bookmark in my delicious account. It's important to me to have both, since anything can disappear from the internet at any moment (sites go down, links break, C&D letters are served, authors pull their work, etc.), but a library in the cloud is, by definition and design, accessible a) to anyone b) from anywhere. Thus, in a perfect world I would have a perfectly redundant system consisting of local, offline electronic copies and the corresponding referral links to the online versions of those stories.

But (spoiler!) it isn't a perfect world, and this is how things actually shake out:

As of this moment I have approximately 7,700 stories saved to my hard drive (and backed up on an external drive), a number that wildly underrepresents the amount of fanfiction I have actually read, even just counting the stuff I have read and loved. I first discovered "fandom" and fanfiction via Buffy the Vampire Slayer in the summer of 1998 and read exclusively and extensively in it (Buffy/Angel omg! and AOL! and web rings!) until 2001. And yet I only have, let me count . . . ONE Buffy story saved to my hard drive, and it was posted three months ago. At the time, I kept browser bookmarks of my favorite sites in my AOL account, but that was on my parents' computer, and they were lost to the ether when that machine failed. In the meantime, I had gone off to college with my own computer.

I first started saving stories some time toward the end of 2002, well after I'd discovered (simultaneously) Smallville and slash and livejournal (and fandom again, but for real this time), but I didn't have a saving policy, something helpful and exhaustive like "save every story that you might ever want to lay your hands on again". Over the next couple of years I read what probably amounted to thousands of stories across a whole bunch of fandoms (especially Smallville, popslash, Sports Night, Highlander, Due South, The Sentinel, Lotrips, and Harry Potter), but I saved a vanishingly small percentage of it all. During the summer of 2002 I tore through the entire (now defunct) Our Boys Sorkinfic archive but saved zero stories from it. As of one month ago (I've since had a renaissance!), I had only nine Highlander stories saved. NINE. I started saving scrupulously (using the above-mentioned policy) somewhere in or around 2004, when I was into Harry Potter for at least the second time around (the Remus/Sirius redux), Star Trek (TOS), and M*A*S*H.

By the end of 2005 (SGA, et al.) I had created my delicious account, and by early 2006 I was using it in fits and starts; it wasn't until three years later, in January of 2009 (Merlin), that I began bookmarking scrupulously—that is, bookmarking every story I saved. I have approximately 3,200 stories bookmarked there now, less than half the number of stories I have saved offline; but I have another couple of thousand unread stories bookmarked, to keep my number of open browser tabs to a minimum, and for rainy days.

At this point I don't know if I'm ever going to attempt to gather all those stories I read but never saved, assuming that I would WANT to; assuming I could remember any titles or authors or what songs the songfics were based on (lol j/k, it was Sarah McLachlan); assuming I could find them again, which presumes that they're even still available anywhere, or will ever be made available again, e.g. on the AO3. And then there's the matter of retroactively bookmarking the stories I saved in pre-delicious times: the thought of having them all together in one neatly-tagged* place is incredibly attractive, but hideously daunting. And at the end of the day, is delicious even the right place for it?

* And THAT'S a whole mess of meta for another day.
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*via metafandom delicious*

[personal profile] carnadosa 2010-04-26 10:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I like to pretend that I actually remember how I got into fandom, like it was some kind of epiphany that I found slash online. But I really kinda don't. I'm pretty sure I first started reading fanfic in 2003 by way of accidentally finding YYH and HP fandoms. It might have been earlier, but no later then spring of 2003 (because I remember being annoyed I'd not have access to wips that summer). It took me about a year to realize that if I want to be able to find it and read it again I'd better have a better system then haphazard local browser bookmarks (those were mostly wips anyway).

It was still the days of mailing lists and achieves (when I had a much better tolerance for marginal quality fic) that I started saving everything I read to .doc. And I have, in fact (when the number of saved files was way way less then the 9,500 it is now) reread my entire saved fic achieve more then once. Now that it contains ginormous works such as Saving Conner, I don't really think that'll ever happen again.

When I worked the night shift and had access to endless computer printing in undergrad I printed stories out to read them. I don't anymore because 1. expense, 2. at this point I have a laptop, 3. I don't have a job where I could read during anymore.

I got a delicious account in 2006, but I didn't really start using it as an complete redundancy backup/index for my saved fics until somewhere in 2008? I think.

During the last warnings go-round I started a fairly serious retagging project (I used to only do pairing, fandom, fic and slash/gen/het) which actually did change the way I saved stuff, because this is the point where I made absolutely sure that if I saved it to disk I saved it to delicious. I also started making a better folder/subfolder system to attempt to find things if I didn't have internet access.

So far I find the Vista/Microsoft Word 2007 tagging to be...not that useful. But I haven't made a very determined effort either.

I keep telling myself I'll go back and try to find my older fandom favorites in BTVS, HP and SV but that's extremely unlikely. (The bulk of the 9,500 fics saved to disk vs. 5,100 fic tag on Delicious discrepancy is in those fandoms).

I save all of my fics to two different computers, two different backup hard drives and about once a year burn to disk. (Given the amount of digital space I have, digital copies are FREE).

As a random observation, when I started reading fanfic I was a pretty hardcore het shipper (using fanfic as a proxy for my romance novel habit so I could spend that money on pretty non-fiction books instead). All of my saving fic habits didn't start until I switched to almost exclusively slash.

So, my 'system', as it stands now, if I like it enough to reread someday I save it to disk and delicious. If it's drabbles it only gets saved to a cumulative pairing/gen-fandom drabbles doc unless it's a really awesome one. They're just not worth the time/effort for redundancy.

Where my account lives.
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Re: *via metafandom delicious*

[personal profile] carnadosa 2010-04-26 10:16 pm (UTC)(link)
That was a lot longer then I thought, I guess I really like to talk about how I save stuff.
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Re: *via metafandom delicious*

[personal profile] carnadosa 2010-04-27 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, one of my big problems with tagging in MS, is that it won't let me use / in a tag. That's basically the primary way I sort (like, on a macro level) AND it won't autocomplete or let me see what other tags I have when I'm trying to tag a fic. Which basically makes the tagging system useless for my purposes. I have almost 1,000 tags that are specifically fic tags. There's no way I can remember if I had, say, Harry or Charlie first. And then I'd have duplicates and messes and I'd spend more time trying to fix the tagging then using the tagging. I guess I was more upset about that then I thought. I mean, cuz you can embed that information in the properties->details by right clicking the file but that's a huge amount of extra work that I can do in delicious in about 15 seconds.

It took me a long time to realize that I could just save the webpage instead of copypasta the text. But to be fair, it wouldn't have helped me in the middle when I was printing stuff out. I'd still have to reformat it. And now it's my system, so I'm very reluctant to just save the webpage even when it makes my life easier.

Re: rereading. Yeah, that's a habit I picked up from actualfax novels. I plowed through the romance section so quickly at my local library I had to get used to rereading stuff if I wanted stuff to still read. That's partially what made me start saving stuff too. The 1,000 (I wish I were joking) paper back novels I can't bear to part with in my attic I mean. It's possible I have hoarding tendencies. On your scale of zen data loss in reply to another person? 10, or possibly infinity. I would cry.

Re: older stories. Sometimes I save massive 'old school' rec pages, just so I know where to start. Of course half the links are dead, and it doesn't work if I'm not interested in that particular fandom at the moment. There's no use opening 50 tabs of Harry/Draco if what you really want is that shiny new fandom over there.